FRIED: The Burnout Podcast

FRIED: The Burnout Podcast

Cait Donovan, Top Burnout Expert for Corporate and Nonprofit Organizations


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Latest Episode

Beyond Transactional Leadership: How Leaders Create Real Culture Change

When leadership turns into a transaction, culture starts to starve.  Workplace culture is at the center of this conversation as Cait Donovan sits down with organizational psychology expert Chris Pineda about leadership development, psychological safety at work, and the deeper forces that shape how people relate, respond, and grow inside organizations. Chris makes the case that organizational health is built through trust, purpose, and accountability, not just policies, titles, or polished values statements. He looks at how leaders influence employee experience every day and why organizational design has more impact on culture than many teams realize. Together, Cait and Chris explore what happens when people stop waiting for someone else to fix the environment and start paying closer attention to the energy, ownership, and honesty they bring into the room. The conversation connects workplace culture to the human side of change and asks bigger questions about how teams create safety, how leaders earn trust, and what kind of leadership supports lasting growth. It is a thoughtful look at workplace culture, leadership development, psychological safety at work, organizational health, employee experience, and organizational design through a lens that feels practical, grounded, and deeply human. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Transformational Leadership and Workplace Culture 06:12 The Seven Conditions of Transformation 12:06 Purpose, Meaning, and Suffering 17:48 Trust, Safety, and Leadership 41:26 Resistance, Accountability, and Change 54:03 Personal Change and Organizational Transformation Connect with Chris Pineda: Groundwork Leadership's Website Follow Chris on Instagram Connect with Chris on LinkedIn Connect with Cait: Cait Donovan is a keynote speaker, author, and host of FRIED: The Burnout Podcast, specializing in burnout, mismatch, and sustainable performance at work. She partners with corporate leaders, teams, and professional associations through keynotes, workshops, and leadership sessions that treat burnout as data, not failure, to help organizations reduce burnout without blame or shame and build healthier, high performing cultures.   To bring Cait to your organization or event, book an inquiry call here: https://bit.ly/bookcait Learn more about Cait’s speaking work: https://www.caitdonovan.com/speaking Short on time? Watch this 3-min video: https://bit.ly/caitdreel2025 Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

About FRIED: The Burnout Podcast

The place to listen to real, raw stories of burnout and burnout recovery so that you can learn: Burnout is Real. You're not alone. This is doable. There are resources for you. Someone like you has been through this and has answers for you. Interviews go deep and discuss trauma, race, deep depression, thoughts of suicide and of course, the light that enters once the realization happens and the decision to make a change has been made. We're here with you. For all of it. Access more episodes, subscribe, and learn more.